Your so superficial!

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Post 1 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 8:38:36

last night I watched this young guy, who had been paralysed in an accident at 2 years old, bleating on about how he wanted to be like everyone else...he just could not and would not, accept his disability...honestly you would think it was the worst scenario..they showed film of him as a child and that really angered me he used his disability as a reason to give up and have his family running after him like unpaid servants! ...unless he was going to walk life was pointless!...eventually he was given some kind of electrical stimulation therapy, which enabled him to get around with crutches,worth the hassle, no because a chair is far more maneovreable and gives the user far more freedom,however even with the treatment he still moaned about using the chair,...I switched over in the end before my foot went through the screen!.

Post 2 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 10:23:59

Hmm, I dunno. I mean there are positive things that can come out of wanting to be like everyone else (of course having your entire family run around you to get you what you need instead of tring to get it yourself is not exactly condusive to being like everyone else, it's using your disability as an excuse for lazyness really). But I understand some of his centiments, especially if he lost his abaility to move. It took me a long time to startusing the cane after I lost my sight ( and we are talking the actual thing .. those dirty minded guys who might misinterpret it, well I lost my sight at the age of 5 so .. the cane would've beenquite useless then a anyways ). It wasn't until I moved here at the age of 18 I really finally started using it. I felt using it was somehow submitting to blindness. It wasn't rational in any way, it was rather stupid, but it's hard when your status changes on you to accept it. I would imagine being born with your disability helps you deal with it mentally a little bit better but I have no proof for this.
cheers
-B

Post 3 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 10:31:30

hmmm perhaps but his attitude seemed to disintegrate and worsen, as the programme went on,I was left wondering why the film makers had wasted their time, money and effort, on such a greeting faced whinger,and how anyone could bear to be in his company....

some people allow their situation to control their lives and grind them down, your man was a prime example...to him being paraplegic was the deepest personal insult,and nothing short of perfection would please him,that kind of shallow superficial nonsense irritates me.

Post 4 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 10:34:54

well while that may be true, we need to remember that this was a television programme, and whilst it was based on actual events, the producers making the programme would have edited it very heavily, so it would be interesting to have seen all of it, maybe he made a good victim, so it would be easy, and more emotional, to show the times when he was disparing, as opposed to the times when he perhaps was positive. call me scinical, but I think we only see part of what is filmed for tv, and that's only part of the story.

Post 5 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 10:41:00

we also need to look at who was to blame for his lack of independence ... yes, technically it was him, because he was an adult and should know better, but when he was a child, it was his family that were quite prepared to run round after him and pander to his every need. I saw this so much in school, where kids had everything done for them and then were unable to do anything for themselves, the family is to blame for that, because they can teach a child independence from an early age

Post 6 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 10:44:09

true I forgot the manipulative effect of tv but..
in saying that, I'm not entirely sure if this was edited to legitimise his self pity...I mean most disabled people would throw up their hands in horror, at the thought of being depicted as a poor soul,

...however if they were looking for a victim..this lad played the part with aplomb..

Post 7 by sugarbaby (The voice of reason) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 11:16:03

there often isn't control though over what is and isn't shown. and reality is, if you let tv cameras into your life they will film every part of it in its minutest detail, and they will show the bits which they think look good on camera, and you, the person being filmed, actually has no say in that, the same as you have no say in what is printed in a newspaper interview.

Post 8 by Emailaddressthief (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 17:34:27

Goblin, I did not see this story that your talking about but I don't feel it's fair to judge how other people deal with their own losses. We are all different; just because you or someone else would deal with a life changing event and move on with their life doesn't mean that everyone else will. From what you said it sounds like this kid was troubled by his condition and that's a real fact of life. That's part of the reason some people commit suicide.
If your going to be mad, it shouldn't be towards him but towards those around him that foster his behavior.

Post 9 by lawlord (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 19:50:27

Right I've been trying ever so hard to resist the temptation to make a joke, but I can no longer contain myself: when I saw this topic I thought that our Goblin might be having a go at something I had posted again, as is his wont. it ruend out, of course, that this topic has nothing to do with me whatsoever. So I was saying to myself, 'You're so vain, you probably think this topic's about you, you're so vain, i bet you think this topic's about you, don't you? Don't you? etc.

Post 10 by lawlord (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 19:52:12

Now who sang that song? And far be it from me to detract from a serious issue. i agree that these TV shows can be awfully patronizing sometimes, but I would hesitate long before condemning someone for their attitude to their disability without seeing more. I didn't see the programme.

Post 11 by Puggle (I love my life!) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 20:03:35

LL Kylie Simon sang that song.

Post 12 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 25-Feb-2005 21:16:30

everyone has their own way of dealing with things.

Post 13 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 8:09:48

SugarBaby ect your right and I was angry at his parents ect..there was 1 scene however which really underlined what I have tried to explain here..the boy was trying to lift 1 of his crutches with the other 1, from his chair {a lightweight model},all he had to do was move the chair about 12 inches or so and he could have succeeded, but no, he struggled 1/2 heartedly then gave up, when his father said "its ok I'll get it for you" and I thought "thats exactly what he was hoping for..."..

Post 14 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 8:27:17

Carly Simon sang it about the lothario and supposed actor Warren Beatty..

Post 15 by lawlord (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 9:39:55

Well, it's a good song.

Post 16 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 14:23:41

yes but aren't you tring to divert attention away from the main post hmmm?..

Post 17 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 14:24:23

yes but aren't you tring to divert attention away from the main post hmmm?..

Post 18 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 14:24:54

yes but aren't you tring to divert attention away from the main post hmmm?..

Post 19 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 14:38:51

yes as. you hoped pal.but I've spent an entire day watching the celtic nations destroy their opponents, so I dont really give a damn ,.......GO ON THE IRISH!!!!!!!!!....

Post 20 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 15:39:26

Lol LL! I kinda thought this topic might be about me again too lollollol! Anyway! About the question at hand. I do think that the kid sounds a bit ... I don't know. Relying on his parents, giving up so easily, feeling sorry for himself etc is not a good way to be. But I blame the parents for not helping him to be independent and seeing that he probably has and had great potential. Being liek everyone else though is a perfectly human way to feel. Sometimes Idon't want to be singled out, adn I think, "Why can't they treat m liek a kid without a disability?" So that's completely normal. And yes, like was previously said, everyone has different ways of dealing and reacting. Some people are strong and take disabilities well, some just aren't.

Post 21 by lawlord (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 16:07:06

And about the celtic teams....Well done wales! Go wales! thost frogs deserved everything they got! And Scotland beat Italy of course....big shitting deal!

Post 22 by lawlord (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Saturday, 26-Feb-2005 16:09:33

What I mean by that is, scotland are really a very poor side indeed. They will cut no ice at international level for the moment. Now, I remember when the scots had a great side, ten years or more ago, which got through to a world cup semi-final before losing to england. gavin Hastings has to have been one of the best kickers the game has ever seen, but nobody comes close to the likes of him in scotland today.

Post 23 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 28-Feb-2005 10:55:21

Scotland's back row are a feckin waste of space but your wrongon 1 point Chris Paterson IS a fine kicker and he literally saved our skins in the game,however Ronan O'Gara has a magic boot and a great eye, give your man an inch and he'll take the whole damned mile...grin..

Post 24 by lawlord (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Thursday, 03-Mar-2005 13:16:33

Ronan O'gara and brian O'Driskle are two of the finest players in the Northern hemisphere. My three kickers in the lions squad this summer would be Wilkinson, O'gara, and Patterson 'cos I agree with you Goblin, if Chris Patterson hadn't been there you'd have been humiliated in Rome you really would. They gave you a splendid game. It's really good to see the depth in rugby these days. I'm really pleased for the Irish and the welsh.

Post 25 by lawlord (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Friday, 04-Mar-2005 7:13:33

And really pleased that the french have gone soft.

Post 26 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Friday, 04-Mar-2005 16:32:42

Italy were dire they have a long way to go still their honour will be upheld this sunday by the illustrious Ferrari.

...ohh please Wilkinson cant and wont play again,if that shoulder is injured again he'll be permanately disabled, don't you think the coach would of included him hmm? but the other 2 are pure magic...

Post 27 by lawlord (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Saturday, 05-Mar-2005 7:58:08

Wilkinson is going to be back for Newcastle against Stade Francais I believe. He may also play against either Scotland or Italy, or both.

Post 28 by Caitlin (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 05-Mar-2005 12:26:29

Why do y'all always stray to sports? It's very disconcerting lol grin.

Post 29 by lawlord (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Saturday, 05-Mar-2005 12:48:19

Because there's only so long that one can talk about disabilities, names or some such malarky. I'd get in on the act if I were you, caitlin.